http://www.modernperformance.c ... _359&products_id=1552
There is a coilover that has 32 settings, though still singly adjustable, IE bound and rebound cannot be adjusted separately.
I thought a slow compression/rebound setting meant that the shock would not take as much energy from the spring as fast as a 'faster' setting?
There is a coilover that has 32 settings, though still singly adjustable, IE bound and rebound cannot be adjusted separately.
I thought a slow compression/rebound setting meant that the shock would not take as much energy from the spring as fast as a 'faster' setting?
Thats exactly the point I have been trying to get across. If I haven't been then I will need to get double check my wording before I post. Never anywhere did I mention it was easy, only that anyone with some intelligence in their brain would not have a problem being competitive on the dragstrip.
FTR I run 13.7's =P
Happy Birthday! =)
You old enough to drive yet?
BTW dustin you have two LFS accounts on the forum, your listed twice.
You old enough to drive yet?
BTW dustin you have two LFS accounts on the forum, your listed twice.
Whatever makes you sleep better =)
Like I said if throttle control is sooo important like you say, why don't they make it part of the broadcasts? If it was such a challenge to modulate the throttle for traction surely they would have the foresight to see that it would make the broadcasts more interesting.
Wiki for F1 G forces:
"The turning force at low speeds (below 70 to about 100 km/h) mostly comes from the so-called 'mechanical grip' of the tyres themselves. At such low speeds the car can turn at 2.0 g. At 210 km/h (130 mph) already the turning acceleration is 3.0g, as evidenced by the famous esses (turns 3 and 4) at the Suzuka circuit. Higher-speed corners such as Blanchimont (Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps) and Copse (Silverstone Circuit) are taken at above 5.0g, and 6.0g has been recorded at Suzuka's 130-R corner[9]. Which goes back to having to sustain these forces, and many other forces throughout a race constantly, no 2 hour wait between like you would see during a drag racing event.
A top fuel dragster will pull about 5g off the line
"As stated above, the force of G is equivalent to an acceleration of 32.14 feet per second per second. Therefore Kim Reymond experienced circa 5.11 G when he blasted off the line on the afternoon of 6 September 2003."
This is only within the first 60', which lasts less than a second.
http://www.theaccelerationarch ... res/anatomy/of_a_run.html
Obviously there is some error from the G force being calculated instead of measured, but it's a general consensus that a top fuel dragster will pull a maximum of 5 to 6g off the line through the first 60'.
G forces are from acceleration, acceleration of anything slows down the faster you go unless you are able to increase the power to compensate for losses and drag So there is no possible way top fuelers sustain 5g throughout the whole 5 seconds. To give you an idea during the last 1/2 of the run they average 1.25G's based on a calculation used on previous site.
I donno about you but I am pretty confident that I can tense all my muscles and not breathe for a few seconds a day to complete a launch. BTW it takes the brain .5 seconds to react to anything so the launch is virtually completed before the brain can even think about modulating the throttle if something goes wrong.
All they have to do now is keep the throttle down and the car in the right direction. You don't even have to shift, the power is delivered through a series of clutches that are timed by the mechanics in the garage to engage during the run to allow the engine to reach maximum power without having to bring too much power to the wheels, causing the car to break traction.
This is only coupling in the physical aspects, there are mental aspects that wheel-to-wheel racing has that drag racing does not that have not even been touched on.
I have said my 2p believe what you want to believe and no amount of facts will sway anyones thinking. I will say I enjoy drag racing and I myself go drag racing every year. I also try to goto a roadcourse too, but thats a bit more expensive, not to mention more wear on the car.
Like I said if throttle control is sooo important like you say, why don't they make it part of the broadcasts? If it was such a challenge to modulate the throttle for traction surely they would have the foresight to see that it would make the broadcasts more interesting.
Wiki for F1 G forces:
"The turning force at low speeds (below 70 to about 100 km/h) mostly comes from the so-called 'mechanical grip' of the tyres themselves. At such low speeds the car can turn at 2.0 g. At 210 km/h (130 mph) already the turning acceleration is 3.0g, as evidenced by the famous esses (turns 3 and 4) at the Suzuka circuit. Higher-speed corners such as Blanchimont (Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps) and Copse (Silverstone Circuit) are taken at above 5.0g, and 6.0g has been recorded at Suzuka's 130-R corner[9]. Which goes back to having to sustain these forces, and many other forces throughout a race constantly, no 2 hour wait between like you would see during a drag racing event.
A top fuel dragster will pull about 5g off the line
"As stated above, the force of G is equivalent to an acceleration of 32.14 feet per second per second. Therefore Kim Reymond experienced circa 5.11 G when he blasted off the line on the afternoon of 6 September 2003."
This is only within the first 60', which lasts less than a second.
http://www.theaccelerationarch ... res/anatomy/of_a_run.html
Obviously there is some error from the G force being calculated instead of measured, but it's a general consensus that a top fuel dragster will pull a maximum of 5 to 6g off the line through the first 60'.
G forces are from acceleration, acceleration of anything slows down the faster you go unless you are able to increase the power to compensate for losses and drag So there is no possible way top fuelers sustain 5g throughout the whole 5 seconds. To give you an idea during the last 1/2 of the run they average 1.25G's based on a calculation used on previous site.
I donno about you but I am pretty confident that I can tense all my muscles and not breathe for a few seconds a day to complete a launch. BTW it takes the brain .5 seconds to react to anything so the launch is virtually completed before the brain can even think about modulating the throttle if something goes wrong.
All they have to do now is keep the throttle down and the car in the right direction. You don't even have to shift, the power is delivered through a series of clutches that are timed by the mechanics in the garage to engage during the run to allow the engine to reach maximum power without having to bring too much power to the wheels, causing the car to break traction.
This is only coupling in the physical aspects, there are mental aspects that wheel-to-wheel racing has that drag racing does not that have not even been touched on.
I have said my 2p believe what you want to believe and no amount of facts will sway anyones thinking. I will say I enjoy drag racing and I myself go drag racing every year. I also try to goto a roadcourse too, but thats a bit more expensive, not to mention more wear on the car.
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Nascar drivers do a ton of throttle control, depending on the track. The big exceptions would be Daytona and Talledaga. When they have the telemtry up you can see they really work the throttle for some corners. Most Nascar drivers are fairly competent roadcourse racers. Boris Said normally races with them when they race the road courses, I don't think he's won a race yet. He's usually in the top 10 though.
There is a challenge to drag racing, but...
Hate to burst your bubble blueflame but funnycars pull 5g's during a launch, they probably pull 5g's what, 3-5 times a day? F1 drivers pull that at least once a lap, which races can be over 70 laps.
True 5g's people can black out, but chances are if your fit you won't have any problems.
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5839419.html Here is a patent for a throttle control that drivers can use to launch and stage their cars.
http://www.racetronics.net/
http://www.andra.com.au/article.asp?Id=1483
"“We have changed a bit on the two step, working the progressive boost systems in place in trying to make it less angry,” smiled Signorelli." A two step is a device that limits HP to get good launches at WOT.
If you did % wise of time on the track maybe, just maybe you could say that they do more throttle control. Drift racers hold drifts longer than it takes a funnycar to make a run, hell depending on the circuit drift racers probably hold a drift longer than it takes the funnycar to make it's runs during a single day.
If throttle control is so important for a drag racer, why dont they show it in the broadcasts? Never once have I heard a commentator say, "wow look at that throttle control!"
Drag racing is fun, and exciting, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist driver to make these cars run well, it's down to money and mechanics in the shop, the driver is just along for the ride.
True 5g's people can black out, but chances are if your fit you won't have any problems.
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5839419.html Here is a patent for a throttle control that drivers can use to launch and stage their cars.
http://www.racetronics.net/
http://www.andra.com.au/article.asp?Id=1483
"“We have changed a bit on the two step, working the progressive boost systems in place in trying to make it less angry,” smiled Signorelli." A two step is a device that limits HP to get good launches at WOT.
If you did % wise of time on the track maybe, just maybe you could say that they do more throttle control. Drift racers hold drifts longer than it takes a funnycar to make a run, hell depending on the circuit drift racers probably hold a drift longer than it takes the funnycar to make it's runs during a single day.
If throttle control is so important for a drag racer, why dont they show it in the broadcasts? Never once have I heard a commentator say, "wow look at that throttle control!"
Drag racing is fun, and exciting, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist driver to make these cars run well, it's down to money and mechanics in the shop, the driver is just along for the ride.
Hehe
Her and her team defo deserve it, it takes a lot of work to keep these cars running at their best.
I know when I was on Road America the backstrait on that was 'relaxing' but then I wasn't entering the strait at 0 either.
If I had $300,000 I would love to.
Yeah I have, watched them too, wicked fun, but it doesn't take a 'superhuman' to hold on and pray the car doesn't break =)
Done drag racing myself in my car, after my 5th ever run I was running 2.0 60's with a FWD and running the exact time that the car is capable of.
There is skill involved, but nothing that any 'normal' person couldn't do competively if they had the cash.
Does help all they gotta do is keep the car strait and the engineers do the rest
Still to keep a car strait with that much power going down still takes some skill, but drag racing is more about the performance of the vehicle more than the driver, sure it takes skill, but I bet you my paycheck you could take any drag racer that knows what they are doing and they would run the same times in the same car.
Still, +2
Depending on the engine design you can make up to 400ft-lbs with that much HP based on what I have seen, plenty for rally cars.
Get on the SM forums and find out what the drivers are spending each year. If you only run regionally and have a place to sleep for the night, IE camper/tent, you can keep costs reasonably low.
I expect regionally you would be looking at less thank $10k a year to race the car, just have to buy one =) But this is not the best place to look for info, a better place is where the real drivers of the series 'hang out' and try to get some info from the source.
You could buy the car one year, run HDPE's and other trackday events to gain confidence and work on getting your SCCA license, then the next year apply into the series and run some events, while still doing trackdays.
I expect regionally you would be looking at less thank $10k a year to race the car, just have to buy one =) But this is not the best place to look for info, a better place is where the real drivers of the series 'hang out' and try to get some info from the source.
You could buy the car one year, run HDPE's and other trackday events to gain confidence and work on getting your SCCA license, then the next year apply into the series and run some events, while still doing trackdays.
Hehe each to their own. I rev in response to someone, but then I don't exactly grind rice, I think it's more wheat =)
What really cracks me up when you get someone that put a Campbell's soup can off the back of their factory car and revvs at lights. Why?
What really cracks me up when you get someone that put a Campbell's soup can off the back of their factory car and revvs at lights. Why?
FTR Mugen is not a factory car. It's an aftermarket company, like Ligenfelter (SP) or Hennessy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mugen-Honda
It's closely linked to Honda but these are not factory cars. Bit pricey for something so slow. A Mazda S3 or Caliber are faster and they are true factory cars, but of these make more HP than this car.
It looks alright, but could be a lot faster if they would put some real power down, 240 isn't the greatest for a car that costs $40,000.
I can see why Civic owners would like it, but defo not my cup of tea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mugen-Honda
It's closely linked to Honda but these are not factory cars. Bit pricey for something so slow. A Mazda S3 or Caliber are faster and they are true factory cars, but of these make more HP than this car.
It looks alright, but could be a lot faster if they would put some real power down, 240 isn't the greatest for a car that costs $40,000.
I can see why Civic owners would like it, but defo not my cup of tea.
I think it was $4000 for a 2 day single seater session at Road America. A great learning experience coudl be had, but nothing that would last.Spec Miata is going to be your cheapest W2W racing IMO. To be competitive you are probably looking towards $20,000 for a car Nationally, but you can still have a ton of fun running an old Miata in the spec class with some very close racing and fairly large grids IIRC, IIRC all you need is Mazda's suspension and a rollcage with slicks. Sounds like a blast to me! =) I would do a bit more work than that, but but it's an option.
The cheapest would be AutoX in a production class but this is time attack only.
You could do high speed time attack which you are on an actual track, but again it's not W2W. Sprints are the same with the exception you are using a bit of road instead, usually up a mountain.
Go karts are not an option really IMO, for the cost to run you could almost run the Miata spec class, and you would have a lot more fun in the Miata IMO.
I think you need help, or at least an education.
I have nothing to 'come back' with because I have yet to see anything thrown. Not one statement you brought forward was substantiated with fact which makes any argument about as useless as... square tires. But since you cannot 'see' that I am hitting my head against a brick wall of ignorance and nothing anyone says or will say will change or alter your perception or understanding even if any facts show that your perception is inaccurate.
There is also a term called 'self fulfilled prophecy' in which that a person believes that an event or trend is guaranteed to happen that they make no effort to alter it's course, thus fulfilling the 'prophecy'. In simple English is this is too difficult to understand... it means that you believe what you want to believe to a point that you do not make any preparations to prevent the event from happening and voilà you were right! Then you can say to everyone haha I was right!
Thankfully there are other people in the world with a much more factual based approach to life. I don't even know why I bother writing on the forums 1/2 the time, everyone seems to run around like a headless chicken screaming 'AHH THE SKY IS FALLING, it's a plot by the government to keel us all!' Since it's been said it surely has to be true now, maybe you should add that to your post too, I think it adds validity to your 'argument'
I've said my 2p worth, you can continue on your unsubstantiated attack on the government again. I need a good laugh yet today.
I have nothing to 'come back' with because I have yet to see anything thrown. Not one statement you brought forward was substantiated with fact which makes any argument about as useless as... square tires. But since you cannot 'see' that I am hitting my head against a brick wall of ignorance and nothing anyone says or will say will change or alter your perception or understanding even if any facts show that your perception is inaccurate.
There is also a term called 'self fulfilled prophecy' in which that a person believes that an event or trend is guaranteed to happen that they make no effort to alter it's course, thus fulfilling the 'prophecy'. In simple English is this is too difficult to understand... it means that you believe what you want to believe to a point that you do not make any preparations to prevent the event from happening and voilà you were right! Then you can say to everyone haha I was right!
Thankfully there are other people in the world with a much more factual based approach to life. I don't even know why I bother writing on the forums 1/2 the time, everyone seems to run around like a headless chicken screaming 'AHH THE SKY IS FALLING, it's a plot by the government to keel us all!' Since it's been said it surely has to be true now, maybe you should add that to your post too, I think it adds validity to your 'argument'
I've said my 2p worth, you can continue on your unsubstantiated attack on the government again. I need a good laugh yet today.
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Not being sarcy - a genuine question
Hehe I agree with Sam =)
I got a good chuckle too that you had to put
this into your post.
Everyone will be in for a rough year next year and possibly the year after. There are talks about deflation and all sorts of other nasty economic terms.
I think experts know what they are talking about and mostly, if not fully, understand the system we use to conduct business. To say otherwise you yourself would have to be an expert in these fields, which I highly doubt. All your post does is fuel the fear that is already driving the economy down farther than it has to go.
I think people are expecting the worst, but hoping for the best. Hope is a good thing despite what some others believe.
Haha I like the Chinease lookalike, probably drives better too =)
Mustangs were never and have never been designed for handling in mind, it's always been meant as a cheap way for people to get a 'performance icon'. They are overweight, underpowered, live axle pieces of cheap thrills. (don't tell that to a mustang owner!)
You can get independent rear suspension and some after market companies take new cars and put one on (IE Cobra) but then the cost goes up and your better off with the Camaro.
Challenger has a nice lump with the SRT8 but weighs over 2ton... so even with it's independent suspension it isn't capable of much.
They are all heavier than they should be, but they are muscle cars, or mullet cars depending on who you talk to.
I donno if I like the fastback styling they went with on the Mustang. Camaro and Challenger are nice though.
Mustangs were never and have never been designed for handling in mind, it's always been meant as a cheap way for people to get a 'performance icon'. They are overweight, underpowered, live axle pieces of cheap thrills. (don't tell that to a mustang owner!)
You can get independent rear suspension and some after market companies take new cars and put one on (IE Cobra) but then the cost goes up and your better off with the Camaro.
Challenger has a nice lump with the SRT8 but weighs over 2ton... so even with it's independent suspension it isn't capable of much.
They are all heavier than they should be, but they are muscle cars, or mullet cars depending on who you talk to.
I donno if I like the fastback styling they went with on the Mustang. Camaro and Challenger are nice though.
I should I hope I am too considering mine is 4 wheel independent FWD
LOL I wonder who you are talking about
I hope he does recover, thats not a way to end a racing career.
Yeah you forgot that anything an American says on this forum is discredited because of their nationality...
Ohh I forgot to mention that ALL American cars use live axles and leaf springs, yes even the front wheel drives... yeah... The ONLY car in the US market that is still live axle is the Mustang, and that is for nostalgia proposes and to keep costs down. Live axles have not been used in a production car with any type of performance in the states for ages… but hold onto your perceptions, they are extremely accurate and provide useful insight to the US auto market...
If he has structural changes in the brain I wouldn't think so =(
Well technically this IS accurate because in carom you are hitting the ball exactly in the middle whereas in RL you are always slightly off, putting spin on the ball which deflects the ball in different directions.
It's not a failing of the physics, it's the accuracy of your hit.
It's not a failing of the physics, it's the accuracy of your hit.
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